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implications to the economy. much more than the fiscal cliff. >> exactly. the debt ceiling is a cliff. the fiscal cliff is somewhat misname because as we said -- >> slope. >> slope. curb. go over and get back. it is not so bad. but, you know, there's no sort of we defaulted yesterday and today we are sort of undefaulting. it doesn't work that way. once you defaulted on your debt, i mean, you have really sent the world a message you are deeply dysfunctional and the president has said i'm not going to negotiate over that. i'm not going to allow that kind of threat to the credit worthiness of the greatest economy in the world. >> yet, that's where all of the republicans want to have their next fight. >> that's where they want to have the fight. give it to them or not. i suspect he won't. >> quite a few days followed by quite a few months. thanks so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >>> why do some washington power brokers want to go over the fiscal cliff? the political brief sing next. first, the amr moment of 2012 that left us all speechless. i'm not kidding. this literally left me
of that fiscal cliff to a gentle, let's say, bunny slope. we have a fragile economy, but it's accelerating and it's predicted as this year to grow. it grew at 2% to goh at 3% or more this coming year so you want this skier, so to speak to go down the slope and pick up speed so when you do come to the grand bargain that has $3 trillion of debt reduction. all they've got to do is shoulder 1 billion, changing the scale and put the rest of that in the following nine years and that's something that they'll come up with. >> where do they find it? there are various places, and just that, there's $118 billion if you didn't do the payroll tax extension holiday and if you didn't do that at $250,000, that's almost the same equivalent amount or if you wanted to step back and say hey, let's make sure that these defensive, domestic sequestration cuts of $100 billion and half of that and you can take smalles poohes of that and come up to $100 million and know that it will grow close to 3%. that's the key, and that's why they're behind closed doors today. coming up with that, you don't have to have it done by ja
. the problem with the fiscal cliff, the thing we're trying to avoid, the actual danger to the economy, is that we will get too much deficit reduction too quickly. if reducing the deficit was what the economy needed we could go right off the cliff and leave it there. you can see it in this graph, that line going down. that is the fiscal cliff, we went over our deficit problems, gone baby, totally, totally gone. one thing the fear of the fiscal cliff shows by the way, in the fox hole, everyone's a kinsian. everyone agrees. that is number one. too much austerity way too quickly. president obama is not asking for that much in taxes. it's worth getting a bit of perspective in here. you'll be shocked to know, we got a graph for that. here's what happens if we go over the cliff. you get more than $5 trillion in tax increases off the bat. and now here's what happens if we pass the sainted simpson bowles plan. you've heard of the plan. they have 2.6 trillion in tax increases. president obama's latest offer to john boehner has 1.2 trillion in taxes. that is half as much, less than half than sim
-called fiscal cliff, our economy is coming back, but it's still very tenuous. this is the last thing that we want to see happen, and both sides need to get together and work this out. >> mayor parker, have you taken a stand on where you think the negotiations should go at this point? whether it be on the union side or the maritime side? >> i'm a big believer of doing negotiating at the bargaining contain table. i have to do a lot of negotiations with my unions. they just need to get back together and work this out. the crux of the matter is on royalty payments that were put in decades ago to soften the blow of moving to automated containerized ar ccargo. it's certainly time to move forward to a new agreement. you can't just cling to the past forever, but both sides are going to have to give and move this forward. this is bad for the u.s. economy. and it will have ripple effects around the world. >> mayor parker, thank you for your time. >> we're down 83 on the dow. let's get a market flash back at hq. brian? >> simon, some pending home sales came in high. in fact, the highest level in two an
. we have 1400 employees around the world. the fiscal cliff is scary. another recision, higher unemployment, economic slowdown. tax money taken out of the economy. those are major concerns. we're going to have to react as a business and it could result in cut backs. the fiscal cliff was meant to be something that nobody wanted to go anywhere near and here we are about to go off it. we really need our elected officials to figure this out, keep our economy growing and gives us some certainty about the future so we can make our plans as business leaders. we're all having such a great year in the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. 'cause all our states are great. and now is when the gulf gets even better. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride or just lay in the sun. enjoy the wildlife and natural beauty. and don't forget our amazing seafood. so come to the gulf, you'll have a great time. especially in alabama. you mean mississippi. that's florida. say louisiana or there's no dessert. brought to you by bp and all of us who call the gulf home.
cliff talks heading into the 11th hour. >> u.s. economy is at stake here. >> you cannot pass a bill with just republicans. on a broad thing like this, you need both. >> but will anyone rise above and get it done? a debate from both sides of the aisle. plus guest host jason trennert on the impact for the markets. >> the final details on retail. the winners and losers as last-minute shoppers make one final rush to get the latest deals. >> i got it. i got it. >> the second hour of "squawk box" starts right now. ♪ chestnuts roasting on an open fire. jack frast nipping at your nose. yuletide carols -- >> good morning. welcome to "squawk box" on cnbc. >> love that sweater. that's unbelievable. we've got to fade in and out between the fire and that sweater. >> that's joe kernen, i'm andrew ross sorkin. becky quick is probably happily off at this point. in studios with his,000s on the market and the fiscal cliff this morning, jason trennert. >> that tie. >> he's got the red tie. >> santa tie. >> take a look at the futures, see how this half day of trading is setting up. looks like the dow
debt ceiling. you think the fiscal cliff thing is bad for the economy. you wait and see if they can't get the debt ceiling worked out. >> right. it's one thing to go over the fiscal cliff. that would be bad. we don't want to it happen. a recession may happen. it would be unfortunate. it's different than the u.s. defaulting on the debt. you know, we saw that back in august, 2011, we saw the downgrade of the credit rating. just by having the threat of not approving the debt ceiling increase and the possibility of default. it comes around again at the end of february, beginning of march. it's a time when there's a deal. if the deal does not include the debt ceiling, more damaging effects on the confidence. >> here we go again. neil irwin, it's good. economic editor. three ways they can mess this thing up next year. thank you so much. we'll talk to you again soon. we are 20 minutes to the top of the hour now. there have been major setbacks in the deal talks. we are just getting this news, a major setback in negotiations over a fiscal cliff deal. senator reid, according to democratic sou
policy. here we are on the doorstep after new year and the economy falling off the fiscal cliff. as a result businesses and individuals are facing some of the biggest uncertainties and questions in decades. regardless of what congress does or doesn't do to deal with the year-end fiscal cliff, it is too late for employers to accurately withhold income taxes from paychecks. payroll increases start january 1. but talks drag on of how to ad
about on the rise and a sales surge. we have retail and economy news. everyone talking about fiscal cliff, taxes going up. a little detail not many people talking about, but will get their attention if you say your milk prices could double, triple? >> got milk, t.j.? talking about the dairy cliff. and the conchalgressional agricultural committee will come together. the price of milk will increase. right now, a gallon of milk about $3.50. set to go up to -- get this. $8 by january. if this new man isn't implemented. part of the talks that's going on with the president. they hope this will move forward. nobody wants the price of milk to be drink up. >> farm bill, it maybe goes over their heads. but i tell somebody that $8 for a gallon, they pay attention. >> this is a farm bill they really want to concentrate on. who wants to pay $8 a gallon for milk. >> this isn't the only thing that could shoot up. >> right. we're also talking about grocery prices too. about 12 different items will go up in 2013. some of the main ones, fwrogroc prices up 4%. the reason why, remember the drought that
bargain. so i don't really buy the aurm that if you smooth out the fiscal cliff, then you go on and do other things. >> with the speed bump, if you're going too slow, which the economy is, if it's a big one, you go up and you might want make it over. and then if you're going too fast, you go up in the air, take out your transmission. >> what happens if you have a low car? >> it's bad. you hurt your undercarriage. but spain and the undercarriage is not something any of us need. but i think that howard dean, we didn't have time to go back and get howard and stuff. but howard said the best deal the democrats are going to get is to go over the fiscal cliff. taxes go up, then you go the republicans in position where they're getting the lower taxes. then patti murray. >> i just hope that people are paying attention that what we are seeing is basically the best world for politicians, they put off the and then everybody is going to pretend, oh, it's something happened. and nobody in the meantime is representing the interest of the american people. you know, we've got both parties in a position
is that the fiscal cliff is a way that we would put a ton of economic damage in the economy and a lot of uncertainty about whether washington can govern. but just as important or using that fiscal cliff and not going over it and using that moment to put that bigger debt deal that you were talking about into place and it seems that policymakers who all know we need to do it with both the spending, and just unwilling to make the hard choices and that will be another december and if we have some kind of bipartisan punt that makes the situation worse, not better and citizens across the country and they shouldn't expect this, and in the long run. >> and it has not been able to come under -- this is what he wrote of you, in part, quote, she, like pretty much all of the deficits go, actually empowers hyperpartisanship by always condemning both sides equally no matter who is, and in practice, these days that almost always means making excuses for hard liners and the gop. are you an excusemaker? >> listen, anybody who is a member of congress was elected and sent there. that means that they reflect the voters
seen on tv. as we head to a break, the u.s. economy held hostage. the fiscal cliff stakes in the words of a corporate competitive. >>> my name is richard phillips. i'm the ceo of pilot freight services. we move the nation's most critical freight all over the world and employee 2,500 people. if the nation fails us and we go over the fiscal cliff, we will feel the impact immediately. capital goods will slow down and we will feel it everyday. we will buckle down and move to strategic advantage. we electude lead, not to follow the hard left and not to follow the hard right. govern from the middle and lead. little word game. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geico 24/7. sounds a little too good to be true sir. i'll believe that when pigs fly. ok, did she seriously just say that? geico. just click away with our free mobile app. you can stay in and like something... or you can get out there and actually like something
the fiscal cliff. of course, if is that happens, the economy could eventually slip back into recession. one interesting point, thomas, though, last time that members of congress worked between christmas and new year's was 1996. that was during the government shutdown. this is really a rare occurrence for members of congress to have to come back and work out legislation that they went able to get done before the christmas holiday. >> the president is supposed to stay there for how long? >> well, of course, the white house not really giving us specifics about the president's travel plans at this point in time. the reality is i think the president is himself trying to figure out what he is going to do, but we do expect that he will cut his vacation short. you've heard the president himself during his press conference on friday say i will be seeing you all next week. i think that it is very likely that we will see president obama back in d.c. later on this week and also taking part in those negotiations. >> last but not least, do you have on flip-flops? >> no, not yet. >> i'm looking at wi kiki
congress reaches, it will be a big tax cut. but the other thing about the fiscal cliff is you don't want to be blamed for going over it. it is going to be bad for the economy. it's bad for the country. what speaker boehner's done is create a situation in which we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. but the people who want higher taxes, the democrats, they're not going to be blamed for it. after all, it was john boehner who walked away from negotiations to try plan "b" last week. then it was john boehner who planned to pass plan "b" that very same week. then it was mr. boehner who said it was up to the senate, someone else's problem. just from a pr perspective, what john boehner has done here is a debacle for the republicans. and the white house, they've just been sitting back the last week or so and letting it happen. but today, they gave us their plan going forward. you could call it deal and jam. >> i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that could pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but if an agreemen
the fiscal cliff. the hope is both sides can agree to a compromise to prevent the economy from sliding back into recession. judging from the rhetoric on capitol hill, there's a long way to go. here's the day on the hill. >> if we go over the cliff we'll be left with the knowledge that could have been prevented with a single vote in the republican-controlled house of representatives. the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker not allowing the vast majority of the house representatives to get what they want. >> we're coming up against a hard deadline here, and as i said, this is a conversation we should have had months ago. republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> it is somewhat like taking your child hostage and saying to somebody else, i'm going to shoot my child if you don't do what i want done. you don't want to shoot your child. there's no republ
to say yes, the fiscal cliff would be averted, we'd have a good christmas and happy economic fun times for the economy would be right around the corner. they were wrong. >> we are nowhere when it comes to the fiscal cliff talks. let me tell you what's going to happen today. speaker john boehner, the republican speaker, is going to try to pass what he calls his plan b, which would just simply address tax rates for those making a million dollars or more and that's it. >> john boehner walked away from the obama administration's third offer. a giant, giant compromise. so he didn't like it when they led. he didn't like the decision. he decided instead to chart his own course called plan b. plan b was supposed to show president obama that republicans had their own solution and instead of bothering with his offer they would just go ahead and pass their own plan without him. that was the idea, anyway. >> there is breaking news to report tonight out of washington. strange breaking news out of washington. within the last hour republican house speaker john boehner appears to have completely lost
are essentially looking over the abyss of the fiscal cliff, and i know you have said in the past let's just go over the cliff and start from scratch. do you still think that's the way to go? >> i do. actually, i hope they never come to a deal because this is the best deficit reduction package the democrats are ever going to get. but let's look at what really is going to happen here. i would be more surprised if they came to a deal in the next five days than i was by the roberts vote on obama care. there's no way these guys are going to come to a deal, and the reason is this. the president has got the upper hand, and his most important partner is the weakest person in this, which is john boehner. john boehner is on the verge of losing credibility with his caucus. he can't take a deal to his caucus that will pass without the help of nancy pelosi, which will pull the entire deal to the left. so what they have to do is they have to go over the cliff. we're just talking about politics, we're not talking about finances here. they have to go over the cliff. that strengthens boehner's hands because no
's special coverage of the fiscal cliff talks and that was democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia on the floor of the senate earlier speaking on the state of negotiations. joining me now, congressman tom cole, deputy majority whip in the house of representatives. good to see you, congressman. >> good to see you. >> does joe manchin have a point? >> no, of course not. quite frankly, we've gotten big deals done with the president before. the budget deal in april of 2011, the debt ceiling deal, the free trade agreements, the student loan, the transportation. but the negotiations have always been hard, tough, contention, for two reasons, two sides fundamentally disagree. second, quite honestly, democratic friends particularly the president never gotten serious about spending cuts. if they get all of the revenue they ask for won't come close to dealing with the fiscal issue. >> well, clearly democratic colleagues have a different view of that. let me play what chris van hollen said a short time ago. >> so far, speaker boehner has been held captive and is imcomplicit in many ways with t
-- credit rating and our economy to some degree depending on your analysis of what the fiscal cliff means to get the policies they want. why is it -- i ask you this seriously. i don't know the answer. why does it seem like the president still doesn't get that? >> for whatever reason, it is hard important me to delve too deeply into psychology here but -- this president has always approached washington in a bit after different mindset. i think the lesson he took from the election might be different from what his supporters hoped to take from this election. there tends to be certain instant great pit indication component in terms of how the white house deals with these things. they are looking at the short term. i think that zeke's point, though, is correct. there are things the white house does get. i do think that it is important to bear in mind that there will be blames run around. i think republicans will end up looking as if they are holding things up but -- when the economy is going to get upended next week if things don't happen the way they should, even if there is no mini deal, no
also referenced the impending fiscal cliff, which threatens to derail the economy if a compromise can't be reached by next week on those big unanswered issues. with both sides locked in the standoff, house republicans are calling on senate democrats to act first. democrats aren't budging much on their demands. they want to extend tax cuts and incomes below $250,000, prolong unemployment benefits, and delay those sweeping spending cuts. sam stein. >> yes. >> what happens in -- and it appears it will happen -- we go off the fiscal cliff for a few days? >> not much, is my understanding. kwb, over time, it will have much more of an impact, and it's unknown exactly what the market's psyche will do with respect to the government's inability to come together. with respect to the tax hikes, it won't be as bad as the rhetoric is suggesting early on. whether it's enough to actually get people to get back to the negotiating table -- because i agree with you, i think we're going to go over that deadline, that's the big question. what kind of political ramifications it will have. it's not as if yo
the economy back in gear and getting the economy back in gear. >> you would extend? >> the fiscal cliff would happen like in 2014. >> so bush tax cuts for the top 2%? >> keep those. the whole shabang. what we need is more money to go to the economy to keep things afloat. and this is not the time to figure out how we're going to reduce that. it doesn't -- it's not quite that important right now. >> picking up on that point, you're very closely following that stuff in washington, it looks like, my interpretation of this and tell me if i'm wrong, the payroll tax is basically gone already? >> i totally agree. it's not even being mentioned and the reason is, obama's last offer -- we actually had obama and boehner still negotiating in good faith, passing deals back and forth and this was included. he dropped his demand for having an extension of the payroll tax holiday in which the payroll tax was dropped from 6.2 to 2.4%. he dropped it. the stimulus offer shrank from 425 billion to 175 billion. so it's something he's already given up. you had tim geithner saying earlier in the year that, you know,
the fiscal cliff with a big debt deal. and they're once again starting to talk about the debt ceiling as something that it's not at all clear will be raised in a responsible way. and by responsible, what would happen is they raise the debt ceiling in return for putting in place budgetary changes. but if there's a real threat of not raising the debt ceiling, there's just too much uncertainty right now which could rattle markets and harm the economy. so i'm worried about holding the country hostage on that. i would much prefer to put in place a comprehensive debt deal in advance of that and raise the debt ceiling at the same time. >> all right. well, i know you keep an eye on this better than just about anybody out there. myra mcguinness, thank you for your time. i know we'll be talking to you down the road. >> thank you. >>> let me turn now about 18 minutes from now i'm going to get up here. craig melvin is going to be in the chair. craig, good morning to you, kind sir. how you doing? >> good to see you over there, my friend. >> good to see you, my man. >> welcome welcome. coming up ne
. fiscal cliff crisis taking a toll on consumer confidence. putting things in context, here it is. a score of 90 on the conference board's index means the economy is healthy. last time we saw that number was 2007 before the start of the financial crisis. over the last two months we've seen steady declines. november's report showed a score of 71.5 and 65.1 in december. that is lowest number we've seen since august. joining us now for more on this is jonathan hunt, portfolio manager for capitalist pig hedge fund. contributor to for fox news channel, good to see you. >> happy new year. >> consumers have no faith in congress, guys get your act together. if there is a deal tomorrow, how do you think is this is going to affect consumer confidence over the next six months? >> it might slightly help but already there is a tremendous damage done. it's no surprise that consumers are not confident. to be confident you have to have some slight semblance of certainty and we haven't had anything like that. consumers want to think long term and budget but trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of
. if we can get that done, that takes a big bite out of the fiscal cliff. it avoids the worst outcomes. and we're then going to have some tough negotiations in terms of how we continue to reduce the deficit, grow the economy, create jobs. >> if this fight comes back. i want to ask you specifically about entitlements, medicare and social security. >> right. >> are you prepared in the first year of your second term to significantly reform those two programs, to go beyond the cuts you've suggested to benefits in medicare that your own debt commission suggested you have to do if you are really going to shore up medicare at least? are you prepared to do that in your first year of the second term? >> what i've said is i am prepared to do everything i can to make sure that medicare and social security are there, not just for this generation but for future generations. >> you've got to talk tough to seniors, don't you? and say something's got to give. >> i already did. david, as you know, one of the proposals we made was something called chain cpi, which sounds technical, but basically is an a
. >> that was the president of the united states making a statement just about the talks on the fiscal cliff that he had been having with congressional leaders this afternoon. he said it was the bare minimum that congressional leaders could come up with a deal and it was the wrong thing to do to allow taxes to come up. i want to bring in christin welker. christin, it sounded like the president was saying he's got at least an agreement that should be an up or down vote, no matter what the agreement looks like on the senate and then on to the house. is that what you heard, too? >> reporter: that is what i heard. he essentially said, look, i asked reid and mcconnell to get some sort of a compromise if they can't do this in a reasonable time, he's asking them to give an up or down vote on this bare minimum package that he outlined last friday that he talked about today, as well, extending the tax cuts as well as sort of staving off some of those deep cuts that are set to go into effect. but he also said he's modestly optimistic, which suggests this is certainly not a done deal. you also heard him talk about the
if benefits are not restored. marc, this is a real life consequences. yes, it is a fiscal curve, and yes, tax rates are only going to go up a little bit, but for some people, it is a cliff. >> most americans have not benefitted from this economy at all. people are struggling and most people i know are kind of, can i make the mortgage? can i keep my job? this is real for people, and the problem is that one of the things that i have discovered talking to conservative e k economists or progressive left wing economists or whoever i'm talking to say that we are all not asking the right questions and not having an honest debate. the honest debate is that conservative people on the right want less government and destroy government to take what people get out of it. a way to end it. so we are not, and the left is not talking anymore about what the real issues are are, and we talked about in the break about social security, and they are going to gut social skuecurity. i'm okay. i'm old [ laughter ] but y'all are going to be in trouble when it comes to social security and your generations will be in tr
the fiscal cliff. who will compromise and will a deal get done to save the u.s.'s economy? stay tuned to see who will rise above? >>> the dow is currently down 75 although we know president is going to land in an hour or so. who knows what the situation will look like by the time "fast money" comes around. >> we do know we will have the chairman of lion's gate. up 88% and give us a preview of the pipeline for 2013 and see if the stock can keep going. with the markets closed we will have a technical analyst on the market. looks like he is seeing a worse year for 2013. >> and then talk to italian conference members. >> absolutely. >> see you tonight. meantime, if you're just joining us, here's what you missed earlier on. >> welcome to hour three of "squawk on the street." here's what's happening so far. >> we're going to raise taxes and we're going to cut spending. both of those things will have something of a debilitating effect of the growth of gdp this coming year. >> we hear a lot of press release politics coming from elected officials, who wants to go over the cliff and who doesn't. it's
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